{"content":"<div class=\"discussion__comments\"><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11406\" data-id=\"11406\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-UoxOOJBsEU4\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAAks\/F5Mb3Nin8pU\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Josef L\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Josef L<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\"><\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-15T08:12:30+02:00\">15.\u20094.\u20092022 08:12<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Je jasn\u00e9, \u017ee cesta v \u00faspo\u0159e energie jak sni\u017eov\u00e1n\u00edm cx a v\u00e1hy, tak i \u00fa\u010dinnost\u00ed cel\u00e9 technologie. Nap\u011bt\u00ed 920 V je neobvykl\u00e9, ov\u0161em do\u010detl jsem se o motoru 150 kW nikoliv 225 kW. Doplnil bych, d\u00e9lku auta 463 cm,  hrubou kapacitu baterie necel\u00fdch 100 kWh. Ta bude extr\u00e9mn\u011b drah\u00e1 a energetick\u00e1 hustota je 400 Wh\/l, dost slu\u0161n\u00e1. Obecn\u011b sportovn\u00ed auto, zezadu lehce p\u0159ipom\u00ednaj\u00edc\u00ed Kiu EV6.<br \/>\n<br \/>\nCena toho konceptu musela b\u00fdt masakr mo\u017en\u00e1 10 mil. EUR, skute\u010dn\u00e9 auto bude m\u00edt ale technologii jinou, abych se ve\u0161lo tak do 3-4 mil. K\u010d.<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11407\" data-id=\"11407\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/t-1297814401207107584\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/1297814959351648257\/FB-jWTiL.jpg\" alt=\"Ivan Hoe\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/t-1297814401207107584\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Ivan Hoe<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\"><\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-15T09:13:26+02:00\">15.\u20094.\u20092022 09:13<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Drobn\u00fd dotaz - efektivita elektromotoru je va\u0161\u00ed redakc\u00ed ji\u017e roky uv\u00e1d\u011bna na v\u00edce ne\u017e 95%. Te\u010f jsme se tedy dozv\u011bd\u011bli \u017ee se Mercedes u\u017e t\u011bm 95% opravdu p\u0159ibl\u00ed\u017eil. Potud OK,drobn\u00e1 manipulace se snese. Pak m\u011b ale mate v\u011bta:<br \/>\n \"Pokud bude efektivita elektrick\u00fdch pohon\u016f i nad\u00e1le r\u016fst podobn\u00fdm tempem jako dosud (vzpome\u0148me, jak rychle se v po\u010d\u00e1tc\u00edch vyv\u00edjely spalovac\u00ed motory), nen\u00ed daleko doba, kdy budeme spot\u0159ebu v kilowatthodin\u00e1ch po\u010d\u00edtat v podobn\u00fdch \u010d\u00edslech, jak\u00e1 jsme dosud pou\u017e\u00edvali u voz\u016f na tekut\u00e1 fosiln\u00ed paliva.\"<br \/>\n<br \/>\nOdkud tedy ta efektivita elektro pohon\u016f rostla kdy\u017e jsme za ty roky na stejn\u00fdch procentech? A druh\u00fd dotaz - po\u010d\u00edt\u00e1 redakce s t\u00edm, \u017ee bude efektivita elektromotor\u016f n\u011bkde na 130% kdy\u017e predikuje \u010d\u00edsla jako z ICE spot\u0159eby?  Mo\u017en\u00e1 tu v\u016fbec nemluv\u00edme o \"efektivit\u011b\" pohonu, ale o klasick\u00e9 spot\u0159eb\u011b optimalizovan\u00e9 pomoc\u00ed hmotnosti, minimalizace odpor\u016f, omezen\u00edm spot\u0159eby \u010didel, silov\u00e9 nebo v\u00fdpo\u010detn\u00ed elektroniky, ne? Aneb kdy\u017e postav\u00edm fantastick\u00e9 BEV v\u00e1\u017e\u00edc\u00ed jeden metr\u00e1k, tak bude jezdit za 2kWh, ale\u201c efektivita\u201c jeho pohonu bude po\u0159\u00e1d t\u011bch 95+ %, nebo n\u00e1s na \u0161kole u\u010dili \u0161patn\u00e9 vzore\u010dky na v\u00fdpo\u010det efektivity?<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11408\" data-id=\"11408\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-UoxOOJBsEU4\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAAks\/F5Mb3Nin8pU\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Josef L\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Josef L<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\">2<\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-15T09:58:42+02:00\">15.\u20094.\u20092022 09:58<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__updated\">Naposledy upraveno: 15.\u20094.\u20092022 10:10<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">\u0158ekl bych, \u017ee efektivita motoru 95% je strop, jin\u00e1 v\u011bc je efektivita p\u0159enosu energie na kola, kde m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt ztr\u00e1ta a\u017e 15%.<br \/>\n<br \/>\nV\u010dera jsem jel za kr\u00e1sn\u00fdch 21\u00b0C z Prahy do Znojma (213 km), d\u00e1lnice 133 km\/h tacho, okresky 110 km\/h tacho. V\u00fdsledn\u00e1 spot\u0159eba 16.4 kWh\/100 km a auto hl\u00e1silo 200 km zb\u00fdvaj\u00edc\u00ed dojezd, tohle je podle m\u011b velmi slu\u0161n\u00e1 efektivita pohonu.<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11409\" data-id=\"11409\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/marektomisek\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh6.googleusercontent.com\/-cAORQ3TEG8M\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAAAA\/AAKWJJNKYyVl2R85HFR0py9D-hM43z8IUA\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Marek Tom\u00ed\u0161ek\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/marektomisek\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Marek Tom\u00ed\u0161ek <span class=\"discussion__comment__title\">(redaktor fDrive.cz)<\/span><\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\">1<\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-15T10:04:22+02:00\">15.\u20094.\u20092022 10:04<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Efektivita elektromotoru a efektivita cel\u00e9ho pohonu jsou rozd\u00edln\u00e9 pojmy. I ty elektromotory se v efektivit\u011b li\u0161\u00ed a zdaleka ne v\u0161echny maj\u00ed \u00fa\u010dinnost p\u0159es 90\u00a0%, ale po\u0159\u00e1d je to v\u00fdrazn\u011b v\u00fd\u0161e ne\u017e u spalovac\u00edch motor\u016f, kde je maxim\u00e1ln\u00ed \u00fa\u010dinnost okolo 40\u00a0% a t\u00e9 se v re\u00e1ln\u00fdch podm\u00ednk\u00e1ch da\u0159\u00ed dosahovat jen v hybridn\u00edch syst\u00e9mech. Celkov\u011b jsou ale v elektromobilu v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed ztr\u00e1ty a celkov\u00e1 \u00fa\u010dinnost se d\u00e1 vylep\u0161ovat nap\u0159\u00edklad zm\u00edn\u011bnou vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed volt\u00e1\u017e\u00ed, bateri\u00ed s men\u0161\u00edmi ztr\u00e1tami atd.<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11412\" data-id=\"11412\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-UoxOOJBsEU4\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAAks\/F5Mb3Nin8pU\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Josef L\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Josef L<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\"><\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-15T23:11:43+02:00\">15.\u20094.\u20092022 23:11<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nab\u00edjen\u00ed a vyb\u00edjen\u00ed baterie v\u010detn\u011b ztr\u00e1t, je \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00e1 poh\u00e1dka, ale to je prost\u011b dan\u00e9 fyzik\u00e1ln\u00edmi vlastnostmi materi\u00e1l\u016f a v mnoha ohledech je to nep\u0159ekro\u010diteln\u00e9, jedin\u011b, \u017ee by ud\u011blali v aut\u011b technologii supravodivosti.<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11413\" data-id=\"11413\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-113924617436381570627\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh6.googleusercontent.com\/-4cX0xvnhtcU\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAq20\/AMZuuckrC3SzdERKVVkOsG2i8pgbU0vjxQ\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Vojtulee M.\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-113924617436381570627\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Vojtulee M.<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\"><\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-16T13:09:07+02:00\">16.\u20094.\u20092022 13:09<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, \u017ee fyzika je strop, ale R&D v miliard\u00e1ch dolar\u016f mus\u00ed b\u00fdt poznat. H\u00e1d\u00e1m, \u017ee v horizontu 10-15 let bude dojezd kolem 600-700km v re\u00e1lu v pr\u016fm\u011brn\u00e9ho EV naprosto b\u011b\u017en\u00fd a budeme se posm\u011b\u0161n\u011b d\u00edvat do sou\u010dasnosti, kdy maj\u00ed auta re\u00e1ln\u011b kolem 300-350km.<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11415\" data-id=\"11415\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-UoxOOJBsEU4\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAAks\/F5Mb3Nin8pU\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Josef L\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Josef L<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\"><\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-16T22:30:27+02:00\">16.\u20094.\u20092022 22:30<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">J\u00e1 u\u017e po silnici pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b za 15 let jezdit nebudu, ale 90% lid\u00ed sta\u010d\u00ed dojezd 350 km, sp\u00ed\u0161e je pro b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 lid\u00ed d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1 cena ne\u017e dojezd, firmy to maj\u00ed obr\u00e1cen\u011b. Cena levn\u00fdch BEV by se m\u011bla pohybovat na \u00farovni 10ti n\u00e1sobku pr\u016fm\u011brn\u00e9 mzdy.<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11416\" data-id=\"11416\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/f-8048776671806481\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/graph.facebook.com\/v2.7\/8048776671806481\/picture?redirect=1&width=50\" alt=\"Tomas Mikus\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/f-8048776671806481\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Tomas Mikus<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\"><\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-17T04:10:11+02:00\">17.\u20094.\u20092022 04:10<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Argumentace 40% \u00fa\u010dinnosti diesl\u016f zapom\u00edn\u00e1 na to, \u017ee  elekt\u0159inu bylo t\u0159eba vyrobit \u010dasto spalov\u00e1n\u00edm fosiln\u00edch paliv  s \u00fa\u010dinnost\u00ed jak\u00e1 je v elektr\u00e1rn\u00e1ch kolem 50% d\u00e1le pak p\u0159ipo\u010d\u00edtat ztr\u00e1ty p\u0159i p\u0159enosu elektrickou s\u00edt\u00ed a \u00fa\u010dinnost nab\u00edjen\u00ed baterie. Pak teprve p\u0159ich\u00e1z\u00ed na \u0159adu t\u011bch 95% a to v\u0161echno s vynalo\u017een\u00edm v\u0161eho co nab\u00edzej\u00ed nejmodern\u011bj\u0161\u00ed technologie, abychom se dostali kam? K tomu, \u017ee nepraktick\u00e9 auto pro horn\u00edch 100 lid\u00ed t\u00e9to planety, bude m\u00edt dojezd jako norm\u00e1ln\u00ed t\u0159eba ojet\u00e9 auto za p\u00e1r des\u00edtek tis\u00edc? P\u0159esn\u011b takov\u00e9to experimenty jsou pro m\u011b d\u016fkazem nesmyslnosti cel\u00e9ho konceptu aut na baterky. Vod\u00edk \u010di n\u011bco podobn\u00e9ho je racion\u00e1ln\u00ed budoucnost s mnohem v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed pravd\u011bpodobnost\u00ed ne\u017e tento experiment.<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11419\" data-id=\"11419\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh4.googleusercontent.com\/-UoxOOJBsEU4\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAAks\/F5Mb3Nin8pU\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Josef L\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-100791536027882936958\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Josef L<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\">1<\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-17T09:46:50+02:00\">17.\u20094.\u20092022 09:46<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Z\u0159ejm\u011b jste nevid\u011bl n\u00ed\u017ee uveden\u00e1 fakta o vod\u00edku, s jeho n\u00e1zorem se naprosto ztoto\u017e\u0148uji. Jezd\u00edm elektrick\u00fdm autem p\u00e1t\u00fd rok a d\u00e1v\u00e1 mi to v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed smysl na ka\u017edodenn\u00ed je\u017ed\u011bn\u00ed, ne\u017e p\u0159est\u00e1rl\u00e1 technologie spalovac\u00edch aut, kde je asi 11x vy\u0161\u0161\u00ed pravd\u011bpodobnost poruchy ne\u017e u BEV. Smysl mi d\u00e1vaj\u00ed veter\u00e1ni, ale to je jin\u00e1 poh\u00e1dka. Vod\u00edk do aut pova\u017euji za v\u00fdplod zelen\u00fdch ekomozk\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed o t\u00e9 technologii z\u0159ejm\u011b nev\u00ed v\u016fbec nic.<br \/>\n<br \/>\nyoutube .com\/watch?v=XH3wHnntM_E&t=1258s&ab_channel=Hrubis<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment\" id=\"post11454\" data-id=\"11454\"  data-offtopic=\"0\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__avatar\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-117764014470680753103\" class=\"avatar\"><img src=\"https:\/\/lh6.googleusercontent.com\/-kCSbzpeoPCg\/AAAAAAAAAAI\/AAAAAAAAAAA\/AMZuucmM120Gk_oNT1BTakNoaF5yPSGF2w\/photo.jpg?sz=50\" alt=\"Two Gamers cz\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__content\"><div class=\"discussion__comment__credits\"><a href=\"\/uzivatele\/g-117764014470680753103\" class=\"discussion__comment__author\">Two Gamers cz<\/a><span class=\"discussion__comment__info\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"discussion__comment__like\" data-role=\"comment-like\"><span class=\"icon icon--thumb_up\"><\/span><span class=\"count\"><\/span><\/a><time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2022-04-18T07:56:47+02:00\">18.\u20094.\u20092022 07:56<\/time><\/span><\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__comment\">Zrovna p\u0159i posledn\u00edm z\u00e1vod\u011b Formule 1 ho\u0159ela zas fosiln\u00ed formule, pamatuje si n\u011bkdo z\u00e1vod Eformuli kde by ho\u0159ela elektro formule ???  \ud83d\ude00<\/div><div class=\"discussion__comment__actions\"><a href=\"#\" data-role=\"answer\">Odpov\u011bd\u011bt<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>","url":null}